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onthehill |
Palin's 19 year old son had a choice of either JAIL or Military? |
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Yea, seems he had a run-in with the law.
Did you know he had a choice of JAIL or Military? (Result) |
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richall20 |
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onthehill, where did you get this info?
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musclvr52 |
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Guess miss sara was NOT a good mom. with one kid a ho, & knocked up at 17, and another in trouble with the law.
Where are those GOP FAMILY values??????????????????????????? |
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Kenny of Detroit |
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There is absolutely no evidence to support this claim that Track Palin was in any trouble with the law or any of the other rumors about her children and family
which have appeared on the internet and in the print media. It seems the Obama supporters will do anyting to try to damage Sarah Palin's name and
reputation. Follow the lead of Obama and Biden, the children and families of all of the candidates are off limits. Show some common decency please.
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onthehill |
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19 years old is an adult.
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dear onthehill,
part of the reason for my support of obama is the writings of andrew sullivan; for the most part i agree with everything he says; i read him everyday. he hates bush with a passion not seen in many people and wants the republician pqrty completely destroyed for its sins these last eight years. last week he joined the group that accused sarah pallin of faking her pregancy and that trig was really her daughter's baby. he went on for days with the rumor and made demands for all of pallin's doctor records concerning the birth and he wanted DNA testing to prove who were the parents/father. some of the rumors had her 19 year old son the father and that is why he was forced to join the army as punishment for the incest. andrew still has not admitted the rumors were fiction and last i recall, he still wanted her medical records on the birth. he lost some of my support because i felt that with no proof he should not have repeated such wild rumors. in the end, he was the loser. it made him look like he had gone over a cliff and weakened his believeability on other postings he made. now i would like to see the source for the post about the son. this seems like another phoney rumor. your post is the only place i have seen the claim. now even if true, so what? yes, it is nice to see the family is not picture perfect and has its own problems. yes, 19 is an adult so strictly speaking his rumor does not fall under obama's ban on "children". however, obama wants to keep the focus on the people running for office and not on the various family members. yes, it is nice to revel in thoughts of trouble in an "enemy's family" but let's bring the focus back where it belongs. posts on troopergate and the such are fine. there seems to be enough there to keep reporters busy and that is legitmate inquiry and discussion. we need to follow obama's leadership on keeping the focus where needed. wild baseless rumors and off topic things just help garner sympathy for pallin. for the record, up until his uncalled for postings on who is trig's mother, the only other major disagreement i had with andrew sullivan was that he is HIV+ and was advertising for bearback sex without revealing that fact; however, that was several years ago and he is now happily married thanks to the mass. law that lets him do so. aside from this one issue, he has been pretty much right on. |
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bigjoey, didn't Andy Sullivan, while being HIV+ and advertising for bareback sex, also use bogus pictures in his online ad? asking "onthehill" to
post evidence is like asking Andy to apologize for his hideous attempt to lie and smear Palin. Ain't gonna happen.
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Gaucho |
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Where's this stuff about Palin's son coming from....and is there any credibility to it?
(it's getting so I don't believe anything until I've read it in the National Enquirer) |
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UppityCuban |
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I doubt this is true, but nothing surprises me at this point.
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Gaucho, Newsweek (which is pretty staunchly pro-Obama) just put out an article about lies against Sarah Palin being spread by liberal netroots. It turns out
that Bertz (onthehill?) has posted pretty damn near each one of these on this board. The problem for Obama, as Dem. Kirsten Powers noted in another article
today, is that they're creating an ever-expanding backlash.
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Updated: 6:55 PM ET Sep 8, 2008
Summary
Palin did not cut funding for special needs education in Alaska by 62 percent. She didn't cut it at all. In fact, she tripled per-pupil funding over just three years.
She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time. The librarian has said Palin asked a "What if?" question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin's first term. She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that wants Alaskans to vote on whether they wish to secede from the United States. She's been registered as a Republican since May 1982. Palin never endorsed or supported Pat Buchanan for president. She once wore a Buchanan button as a "courtesy" when he visited Wasilla, but shortly afterward she was appointed to co-chair of the campaign of Steve Forbes in the state. Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska's schools. She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides" of the evolution question, but she also said creationism "doesn't have to be part of the curriculum." We'll be looking into other charges in an e-mail by a woman named Anne Kilkenny for a future story. For more explanation of the bullet points above, please read the Analysis. Analysis
No Cut for "Special Needs" Kids
O'Brien, Sept. 4: One are that has gotten certainly people sending to me a lot of e-mails is the question about as governor what she did with the special needs budget, which I'm sure you're aware, she cut significantly, 62 percent I think is the number from when she came into office. As a woman who is now a mother to a special needs child, and I think she actually has a nephew which is autistic as well. How much of a problem is this going to be as she tries to navigate both sides of that issue? Such a move might have made Palin look heartless or hypocritical in view of her convention-speech pledge to be an advocate for special needs children and their families. But in fact, she increased special needs funding so dramatically that a representative of local school boards described the jump as "historic." According to an April 2008 article in Education Week, Palin signed legislation in March 2008 that would increase public school funding considerably, including special needs funding. It would increase spending on what Alaska calls "intensive needs" students (students with high-cost special requirements) from $26,900 per student in 2008 to $73,840 per student in 2011. That almost triples the per-student spending in three fiscal years. Palin's original proposal, according to the Anchorage Daily News, would have increased funds slightly more, giving intensive needs students a $77,740 allotment by 2011. Education Week: A second part of the measure raises spending for students with special needs to $73,840 in fiscal 2011, from the current $26,900 per student in fiscal 2008, according to the Alaska Department of Education and Early Development. Unlike many other states, Alaska has relatively flush budget coffers, thanks to a rise in oil and gas revenues. Funding for schools will remain fairly level next year, however. Overall per-pupil funding across the state will rise by $100, to $5,480, in fiscal 2009. ... Carl Rose, the executive director of the Association of Alaska School Boards, praised the changes in funding for rural schools and students with special needs as a "historic event," and said the finance overhaul would bring more stability to district budgets. According to Eddy Jeans at the Alaska Department of Education and Early Development, funding for special needs and intensive needs students has increased every year since Palin entered office, from a total of $203 million in 2006 to a projected $276 million in 2009. Those who claim that Palin cut special needs funding by 62 percent are looking in the wrong place and misinterpreting what they find there. They point to an apparent drop in the Department of Education and Early Development budget for special schools. But the special schools budget, despite the similar name, isn't the special needs budget. "I don't even consider the special schools component [part of] our special needs funding," Jeans told FactCheck.org. "The special needs funding is provided through our public school funding formula. The special schools is simply a budget component where we have funding set aside for special projects," such as the Alaska School for the Deaf and the Alaska Military Youth Academy. A different budget component, the Foundation Program, governs special needs programs in the public school system. And in any case, the decrease in funding for special schools is illusory. Palin moved the Alaska Military Youth Academy's ChalleNGe program, a residential military school program that teaches job and life skills to students under 20, out of the budget line for "special schools" and into its own line. This resulted in an apparent drop of more than $5 million in the special schools budget with no actual decrease in funding for the programs. Not a Book Burner
It's true that Palin did raise the issue with Mary Ellen Emmons, Wasilla's librarian, on at least two occasions, three in some versions.
Emmons flatly stated her opposition each time. But, as the /Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman/ (Wasilla's local paper) reported at the time, Palin
Palin characterized the exchange differently, initially volunteering the episode as an example of discussions with city employees about following her
administration's agenda. Palin described her questions to Emmons as "rhetorical," noting that her questions "were asked in the context
of
Palin initially requested Emmons' resignation, along with those of Wasilla's other department heads, in October 1996. Palin described the
requests as a loyalty test and allowed all of them (except one, whose department she was eliminating) to retain their positions. But in January 1997,
Palin fired Emmons, along with the police chief. According to the Chicago Tribune, Palin did not list censorship as a reason
for Emmons' firing, but said she didn't feel she had Emmons' support. The decision caused "a stir" in the small town, according to
a newspaper account at the time. According to a widely circulated e-mail
from Kilkenny, "city residents rallied to the
As we've noted, Palin did not attempt to ban any library books. We don't know if Emmons' resistance to Palin's questions about possible censorship had anything to do with Emmons' firing. And we have no idea if the protests had any impact on Palin at all. There simply isn't any evidence that we can find either way. Palin did re-hire Emmons the following day, saying that she now felt she had the librarian's backing. Emmons continued to serve as librarian until August 1999, when the Chicago Tribune reports that she resigned. So what about that list of books targeted for banning, which according to one widely e-mailed version was taken "from the official minutes of the
Wasilla Library Board"? If it was, the library board should take up fortune telling. The list includes the first four Harry Potter books,
The party's chair originally told reporters that Palin had been a member, but the official later retracted that statement. Chairwoman Lynette Clark told the New York Times that false information had been given to her by another member of the party after she first told the Times and others that Palin joined the AIP in 1994. Clark issued an apology on the AIP Web site. The director of Alaska's Division of Elections, Gail Fenumiai, confirms that Palin registered to vote in the state for the first time in May 1982 as a Republican and hasn't changed her party affiliation since. She also told FactCheck.org that Palin's husband, Todd, was registered with AIP from October 1995 to July 2000, and again from September 2000 until July 2002. (He has since been registered as undeclared.) However, the AIP says Todd Palin "never participated in any party activities aside from attending a convention in Wasilla at one time." There is still some dispute as to whether Sarah Palin also attended the AIP's 1994 convention, held in Wasilla. Clark and another AIP official
told ABC News' Jake Tapper that both Palins were
there. Palin was elected mayor of Wasilla two years later. The McCain campaign says Sarah Palin went to the 2000 AIP convention, also held in Wasilla,
"as a courtesy since she was mayor." As governor, Palin sent a video
message to the 2008 convention, which is available on YouTube, and the AIP says she attended in 2006 when she was campaigning.
The incorrect reports stem from an Associated Press story on July 17, 1999, that said Palin was "among those sporting Buchanan buttons" at a lunch for Buchanan attended by about 85 people, during a swing he took through Fairbanks and Wasilla. Buchanan didn't help matters when he told a reporter for the liberal publication The Nation on Aug. 29: "I'm pretty sure she's a Buchananite." But in fact, she wasn't. Soon after The AP story appeared, Palin wrote in a letter to the editor of the Anchorage Daily News that she had merely worn a Buchanan button as a courtesy to her visitor and was not endorsing him. The letter, published July 26, 1999, said: Palin, July 26, 1999: As mayor of Wasilla, I am proud to welcome all presidential candidates to our city. This is true regardless of their party, or the latest odds of their winning. When presidential candidates visit our community, I am always happy to meet them. I'll even put on their button when handed one as a polite gesture of respect. Though no reporter interviewed me for the Associated Press article on the recent visit by a presidential candidate (Metro, July 17), the article may have left your readers with the perception that I am endorsing this candidate, as opposed to welcoming his visit to Wasilla. As mayor, I will welcome all the candidates in Wasilla. Palin actually worked for Forbes. Less than a month after being spotted wearing the "courtesy" button for Buchanan, she was named to the state leadership committee of the Forbes effort. The Associated Press reported on Aug. 7, 1999: The Associated Press, Aug. 7 1999: State Sen. Mike Miller of Fairbanks will head the Alaska campaign chairman for Republican presidential candidate Steve Forbes, campaign officials said. Joining the Fairbanks Republican on the leadership committee will be Wasilla Mayor Sarah Palin, and former state GOP chairman Pete Hallgren, who will serve as co-chairs. Still, after nine years, the truth has yet to catch up completely.
Palin, Oct. 25, 2006: Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. And you know, I say this too as the daughter of a science teacher. Growing up with being so privileged and blessed to be given a lot of information on, on both sides of the subject - creationism and evolution. It's been a healthy foundation for me. But don't be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides. A couple of days later, Palin amended that statement in an interview with the Anchorage Daily News, saying: Palin, Oct. 2006: I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum. After her election, Palin let the matter drop. The Associated Press reported Sept 3: "Palin's children attend public schools and Palin has
made no push to have creationism taught in them. ... It reflects a hands-off attitude toward mixing government and religion by most Alaskans." The
article was headlined, "Palin has not pushed
creation science as governor." It was written by Dan Joling, who reports from Anchorage and has covered Alaska for 30 years.
We're still analyzing Kilkenny's claims, and we will be posting something on this soon. Republished with permission from factcheck.org. Correction: In our original story, we incorrectly said that a few of the claims we examine here were included in the e-mail by
Kilkenny. Only one of the claims - about the librarian's firing - was similar to an item in that e-mail. We regret the error.
Update, Sept. 9: We have revised this section dealing with accusations
Joling, Dan. "Palin has not pushed creation science as governor." The Associated Press, 3 Sept. 2008. Hayes, Christopher. "Sarah Palin, Buchananite." The Nation "Capitolism" Web site, 29 Aug. 2008.
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onthehill |
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bigjoey. DC is a small city. What you hear about Andrew Sullivan where you live is different that what we hear and see in DC. Lipstick on a pig...is still a
pig.
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Sullivan wiki entry: "After supporting George W. Bush in the 2000 Presidential election,
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shthnk |
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Just more bullshit
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Kenny of Detroit |
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According to a new article in the "National Enquirer" there is an allegation that Track did face either jail or going into the military. If the
article is in any way true, I hope the army will be able to form Track into a responsible law abiding citizen. These stories sure don't present Gov. Palin
as a very good mother in raising a son who has allegedly done criminal acts and used illegal drugs. May be she should concentrate more on being her kids mom
and less on seeking political offices.
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Modernmuscle |
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I appreciate your flexability.
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bodysmith |
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I WOULD FUCK HER 19 YEAR OLD SON IN THE ASS AND CUM IN HIS FACE! HE HAS A NICE NICE COCKSUCKER FACE.
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richall20 |
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Named the kid Track, thats kinda messed up. |
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richall20 wrote: No, no: according to Mommy Dearest, it's "colorful." I pity the poor kid, going through school with a name like Track. He probably got into fights every day. No wonder he grew up with attitude problems. |
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Track---a "good christian" name-----her symbolic of repugnantcan hypocritical "family values"!
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Another netroot lie to add to the list compiled by Newsweek. Track was 16 when he allegedly engaged in vandalism. The arrest was in December 2005. You cannot
enlist at 16--no how, no way.
I like it when the liberals grow so agitated that they start lying and smearing Palin's family. It worked really, really well when they claimed that Palin's son was actually her grandson. It worked really, really well when they shrieked that Palin should stay at home to take care of her family rather than serving as VP. It worked really, really well when they attacked her daughter's pregnancy. I'm sure that attacking her son, who enlisted on 9/11/07, when he was 18, will be a big hit with the American people. Keep it up, Bertz. And, please answer the question of whether you're Michele Signorile. If you are, I'm curious if you use lies and smears when you make allegations against people. I'm just asking, and you should feel free to answer honestly and directly.
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Sarah Palin's family is irrelevant, IMO, to the central issue of whether she is ready or not for the Presidency should John McCain be unable to complete
his term in office.
After watching her laughable interview with Charlie Gibson, the answer is most definitely "no." She looked like a C student who had been up all might studying Cliffs Notes -- her answers were vague and nonsensical. Her "Frontier Woman" persona might work in Alaska and with rabid Republicans, but the majority of the country will fall off the Palin bandwagon sooner rather than later. If she's this bad in a rather tame interview, I can only imagine what the debates will be like. She's NO Margaret Thatcher...she's more Ann-Margret, with deep apologies to Miss Margret. In her defense, I don't think she even realizes that she is being used as an idealogical pawn to satisfy the religious right, a demographic that has never supported McCain. She's a flash in the pan. By the time November 4 rolls around, she can call Geraldine Ferraro and commiserate over what might have been.
"Be yourself -- everyone else is already taken."
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