there are about 50-70 worshippers every Sunday in that chapel according to the US Navy chaplain that currently runs it. Hardly a "private" setting...
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Beowulf,
there are about 50-70 worshippers every Sunday in that chapel according to the US Navy chaplain that currently runs it. Hardly a "private" setting... Freedom only for the supporters of the government, only for the members of one party - however numerous they may be - is no freedom at all. Freedom is always and exclusively freedom for the one who thinks differently. Not because of any fanatical concept of "justice" but because all that is instructive, wholesome and purifying in political freedom depends on this essential characteristic, and its effectiveness vanishes when "freedom" becomes a special privilege. R.L., Germany |
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Members of the Camp David and White House staffs, are of course, for security reasons, required to sign agreements not to disclose what they see and hear/ At
his old church of 20 years they would dance in the aisles and flay they arms while their leader prayed God to damn America. We can only gues what will go on
in the wilderness of Virginia far from voters eyes.
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So Obama made Wright say those things and now he will make this new minister that was perfectly good when Bush was attending his church turn into the devil...
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Musclsk |
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Oh, Beo----do you suppose that Obama has secret voodo ceremonies in the White House on a weekly basis?!?!??
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And the media tells us when Obama pees, but they will be no where to be found when he corrupts this church...
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thosholm |
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Beowulf,
your paranoia is showing. Freedom only for the supporters of the government, only for the members of one party - however numerous they may be - is no freedom at all. Freedom is always and exclusively freedom for the one who thinks differently. Not because of any fanatical concept of "justice" but because all that is instructive, wholesome and purifying in political freedom depends on this essential characteristic, and its effectiveness vanishes when "freedom" becomes a special privilege. R.L., Germany |
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Camp David is in Maryland, not Virginia.
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Bertz74 wrote: Damn, dumbass dinosaur Beatrice can't even stoke the flames of religious fear without making a simple 9th grade U.S. history mistake. LOL |
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Be nice to Beowulf. He's the only self- avowed republican WHO IS NOT A TROLL on this board (granted his ideas are wacky...)
And without some opposition, this is all a liberal political circle jerk. |
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MuscLean |
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tomasholobek wrote: No one is trying to shut that old racist dinosaur up. She's so old and decrepid, a little time will do that, anyway. But if she's going to insist on posting and trying to act all smarter than your average bear, she at least needs to get her facts right. |
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thosholm |
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Beowulf really needs to read The Gospel of Matthew, chapter 6. So do all Republicans btw.
Freedom only for the supporters of the government, only for the members of one party - however numerous they may be - is no freedom at all. Freedom is always and exclusively freedom for the one who thinks differently. Not because of any fanatical concept of "justice" but because all that is instructive, wholesome and purifying in political freedom depends on this essential characteristic, and its effectiveness vanishes when "freedom" becomes a special privilege. R.L., Germany |
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Even the devil can quote scripture.
The bible is not a good place to learn economics, because it is "feudal" economics. It is a "zero sum" system. The land only produces so much in any given year, so if the land owner wants more, the workers must get less and vice versa. But economics after the industrial revolution is quite different. There is no limit to what a piece of land can produce, and the production may owe more to the ideas and management of the owner than to the labor of the workers. Failure to understand that is the basic flaw of Marxism and liberalism. Even today, on some subliminal level, liberals believe that someone who is rich must have taken if from the poor. And the poor are such because others are rich, so the way to help the poor is to pull down the rich. |
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thosholm |
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Beowulf,
I wasn't talking economics. I was talking theology. Focus on the first 6 verses please. There is no limit to what a piece of land can produce, ...As a biotech engineer with a speciality in plant biotechnology I can confidently say that statement is complete and utter bullshit. It is the continuation of the "Unlimited Growth" meme that brought us that mortgage crash, because everyone thought that prices and value would only ever go up. Whereas every biological system known to man shows a distinct "boom-and-bust" cycle. Freedom only for the supporters of the government, only for the members of one party - however numerous they may be - is no freedom at all. Freedom is always and exclusively freedom for the one who thinks differently. Not because of any fanatical concept of "justice" but because all that is instructive, wholesome and purifying in political freedom depends on this essential characteristic, and its effectiveness vanishes when "freedom" becomes a special privilege. R.L., Germany |
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I wasn't actually thinking of farming. Of course, there is a limit to agricultural production. I was thinking of feudal economic vs industrial. There are
limits to what you can grow on a piece of land, but build a factory and you can produce much more. I was disagreeing with the biblical/marxist/liberal
assumption that there is only so much wealth available so the rich must have taken from the poor.
As for theology, you assumption that I am a practising Christian is incorrect. I consider myself a cultural Christian. America is so much a Christian nation religiously and culturally, that I expect our leaders to be as well. It is a matter of shared values and philosophy, and attempting to understand and trust the persons for whom you are voting. How, for instance, could anyone trust that Rev Wright as a politician would have America's best interests at heart?
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How, for instance, could anyone trust that Rev Wright as a politician would have America's best interests at heart? How could any cock sucking, escort hiring queen trust that Jerry Falwell and the Republican party have their best interests at heart? Buy a clue Bucky. |
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Well, much of what Reverend Wright said from the pulpit was the truth -- although white racists didn't want to hear it. Too frickin bad. Wright
wasn't there to appease Caucasian hypocrites.
As for Obama's religion, are we still having this tired conversation? What's next on the shallow agenda -- his birth certificate? UGH.
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I swear. There is nothing more insane than a self-hating gay republican. Just name one that isn't majorly nuts. Andrew Sullivan, MAYBE, if you parse out a
few big chunks of his life, but that wouldn't bump him out of the "majorly nuts" group.
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tomasholobek |
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Several things that make Andrew Sullivan not self-hating gay republican:
He actually differed in opinion in numerous policy matters from the party platform. While a Catholic, to the best of my knowledge, has bitterly complained about how the religious right had taken over the party. Does actually support gay rights, including marriage equality. Can actually talk about issues WITHOUT PARROTING PARTY PLATFORMS "Socialism! Socialism!" "Taxes = slavery" etc. |
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That's why I said "maybe". And he is a republican because? Conservative, I understand. Gay and republican right now, not at all.
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if you recall, Mm, sullivan also had a ginormous "man"-crush on bu$hit, which may have clouded his judgment for several years following 9/11.
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