"Hussein" has nothing to do with race. It is a reminder of Obama's Muslim ancestry and early life in a Muslim country and a predominatly Muslim
school. It is more suggestive of Arabs, who are caucasian, than blacks, but it is really a reference to Obama's still ambiguous religion not his race. Does
anyone really believe we know Obama's religious beliefs? And if we don't know that about him, what do we really know? Yes he says he was
"converted" by Rev Wright, but that seems more political and expedient than religious. Since moving to Washington, news reports say he has not chosen
a church (or a mosque or synagogue). Speaking at a Catholic university he requested that a religious symbol by covered. His speeches contain kind references
to Islam, including the word "holy" but where are similar references to Christianity" Since religious beliefs form a background for political
philosophy and policy his secretiveness in this regard is disturbing to many. His faint pretence to Christianity seems clearly to be an expedience rather than
a genuine conviction, and we are entitled to suspect, if his true beliefs were know he would stand little chance at reelction.
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Posts: 4758 (07/03/09 07:34 AM) |
Do you work for fox news, beo??
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Posts: 1652 (07/03/09 09:14 AM) |
Mr. Moderator(s), in two separate posts, Miss Marlo writes:
Where do you stop when referring to someone's name is forbidden because of alleged religious intolerance, but calling another a lying murderer is OK? and I don't think there was a "string of inquiries" [during the 2008 election about Palin's last pregnancy] but rather false accusations about Palin's special needs child. Mr. Moderator(s), how would a newly-registered board member who SUPPOSEDLY registered to this site on 06/06/09 (according to her Yuku profile) know ANYTHING at all about conversations and discussions that took place on this board months and years before he registered? Mr. Moderator(s), per your previous announcements, isn't that indicative of an old banned poster under a new screen name, which is a violation and cause for board dismissal? |
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Posts: 75 (07/03/09 09:26 AM) |
Both of those cites referred to statements and articles outside of this board. Either the gentleman cannot comprehend or chooses not to comprehend or failed to
review the entire back and forth above. In any case, he will search in vain for my claim to know about "conversations and discussions that took place on
this board months and years before he registered."
I suppose "acceptable" political discourse requires that we try to accommodate fools and knaves. Let there be no intelligence test for posting here. |
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Posts: 1653 (07/03/09 09:33 AM) |
PhyllipMarlowe wrote: That's why I addressed the moderator(s), not you, Miss Marlo. Since I obviously suffer from such comprehension problems, it's the moderators' call to determine your intent. |
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Posts: 121 (07/03/09 09:34 AM) |
PhyllipMarlowe wrote:I interpret that to be a referral to the moderators taking offense at messages containing religious intolerance but not calling someone a lying murderer, especially since that objection doesn't mention the comments were associated in the past with threads about the murderous policies of the Bush administration and the lies about those policies. No truly new member would know about such discussions. However, a "new" member who writes in the exact manner of a previously banned member known for having hundreds of IP addresses indicates that that banned member has returned. This is not a democracy, it is an oligarchy, and this oligarch has been having a lot of problems with a ruptured disc lately and is feeling cranky. Phyllip dear, you are banned. |
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Posts: 4071 (07/03/09 01:05 PM) |
Beowulf's sad lament is exactly the kind of "thought" people like PhyllisMarlowe want to keep in play - distrust and suspicion of our new
president. Phyllis doesn't amount to a hill of beans though, because no one listens, certainly not here and doubtfully in his life or he wouldn't be
spending so much time constructing and deconstructing posts on this forum. However, it's racists like Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and Ann Cuntler who
express these sentiments with some kind of unearned validity that keep the beowulfs and the Phyllises well stocked in vitriol and ill will. They are determined
to do whatever they can to bring the country back to the anti-Americanism of the Bush administration.
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Posts: 3348 (07/03/09 01:30 PM) |
Phyllip dear, you are banned. LOL... until the next screen name with a new IP. Try using McDonald's or Starbucks next time. |
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Posts: 8470 (07/03/09 06:37 PM) |
Whether P-M was the return of the living dead or not, he never made a single post that furthered discussion. It was all off-the-wall claptrap. Good riddance.
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Posts: 7577 (07/03/09 07:04 PM) |
The sign of a troll.
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Posts: 1657 (07/04/09 09:08 AM) |
beowulf7777 wrote: Are you referring to Obama here, or Ronald Reagan? Ronnie never or rarely went to church while he occupied the White House. And the only time he spoke of his Christianity was for political expedience. Oh, my! This is so disturbing to many! Hmmm.... maybe Reagan was a secret Muslim or Hindu? Buddhist? Moonie? |
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Posts: 8535 (07/04/09 11:55 AM) |
Beowulf, you're (once again?) factually wrong there. Pres. Obama has done like Pres. Bush and chosen Camp David's Evergreen Chapel. See the report here.
Freedom only for the supporters of the government, only for the members of one party - however numerous they may be - is no freedom at all. Freedom is always and exclusively freedom for the one who thinks differently. Not because of any fanatical concept of "justice" but because all that is instructive, wholesome and purifying in political freedom depends on this essential characteristic, and its effectiveness vanishes when "freedom" becomes a special privilege. R.L., Germany |
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Posts: 3888 (07/04/09 12:04 PM) |
Beowulf's comment is sheer lunacy. Obama is 1000x the "christian" he would ever be.
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Posts: 7581 (07/04/09 01:39 PM) |
In this post-9/11 era, there are significant logistical challenges to having a President attend church services. Since the Obama's would be doing so for
spiritual reasons instead of political showmanship, they have to seriously consider the pros and cons. I would not be surprised if they select a church but
have the pastor minister to them in private.
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Posts: 1909 (07/04/09 08:51 PM) |
Much more likely, he chose a private chapel so that he can claim to attend without actually doing so, and the public will never know. He can be an athiest,
Christian, Muslim, voodoo, or whatever without anyone discovering the truth. It is part of his continuing practice of dissembling on the issue of religion. And
he can blame this, too, on poor old Bush.
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Posts: 7585 (07/04/09 09:50 PM) |
There is the little matter of separation of church and state; one's private faith should not be a matter of state, which the 'christian" right
seems to insist on. Much though they do not want to face up to it, other religions are represented in large numbers of Americans. It's not just the
Christians and that small sect the Jews anymore.
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Posts: 3350 (07/04/09 10:24 PM) |
Someone's drinking a bit much tonight.
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Posts: 8536 (07/05/09 05:36 AM) |
He can be an athiest, Christian, Muslim, voodoo, or whatever without anyone discovering the truth. And we should care about that why? If you want to live in a nation with a religious fundamentalist at the top, move to Iran. Freedom only for the supporters of the government, only for the members of one party - however numerous they may be - is no freedom at all. Freedom is always and exclusively freedom for the one who thinks differently. Not because of any fanatical concept of "justice" but because all that is instructive, wholesome and purifying in political freedom depends on this essential characteristic, and its effectiveness vanishes when "freedom" becomes a special privilege. R.L., Germany |
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Posts: 3889 (07/05/09 06:37 AM) |
I sure didn't vote for him because of his faith. AND it's not even subtle racism to offhandedly toss in that the first black President might practice
voodoo, you jerk (starbuck/blowulf)
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Posts: 4074 (07/05/09 07:47 AM) |
Don't you just love the way beowulf throws in voodoo? He can't possibly be stupid enough to consider that a real possibility. Or can he? At any
rate, it's done to appeal to the racists who are scared to death Africans are going to run things in this good ole christian country. Beo's in bad
company with the likes of Rush and Cuntler and Beck et al...
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