If you are rapid Obama supporter, would you buy a GM car just to support his presidency?
I am thinking if all Obama supporters (at least those with good credit) did so, it would make an impact.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_automakers_obama_analysis
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jamesv |
If you are a rabid Obama supporter, would you go out to buy a GM car? |
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Obama is literally gambling $50 billion on GM.
If you are rapid Obama supporter, would you buy a GM car just to support his presidency? I am thinking if all Obama supporters (at least those with good credit) did so, it would make an impact. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_automakers_obama_analysis
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luvmuscl |
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I got a 1996 Ford with <60,000 miles on it. Sorry!
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richall20 |
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I now own a reliable, stylish toyota and honda car and a toyota truck.
Why would I want to buy an ugly piece of junk GM car? (Buick is the only GM line that has improved in the last year) I have owned 4 GM products, 2 of which were oldsmobiles, you know that company that was actually the best line GM had, which they of course shut down years ago. 4 Ford products, 5 Toyotas, 2 Honda, 1 Mercedes. I would not buy another GM product any time soon unless there was dramatic change. |
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No, and this "government ownership" is going to be short-lived, anyway. The Obama Administration has no interest in being in the auto business but as
Ralph Nader pointed out, it's the only way to give GM a clean slate and a CHANCE at future success.
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dear vwpatterson3,
the government will hold the stock a long time unless they take a loss on the investment. the value of GM peaked at a market value of $60 billion in 2000; for the US and canada to sell their shares at the cost of the investment of $72 billion, the total worth of the company has to be $100 billion! that means that the success of GM has to be huge. while i wish GM and its employees well and hope they are successful for the betterment of the country, i do not see the company being worth $100 billion any time soon. ralph nader had a piece in last weeks Wall Street Journal where he wants congress involved in the running of the company to be sure GM follows a certain path. politics over economics is his way to run the company and as long as tax dollars are there, he wants it to pursue his agenda reguardless of cost. |
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dear xxxbigjoey
That includes Nader.
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xxbigjoeyxx |
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the long term best for the country is to have a healthy functioning GM. back last year when the government started pumping in money, i posted that bankruptcy
would be the cleanest way to go. if it had been done then, we could have saved time and tax dollars and been were we are today. the current government
involvement does not bode well for GM's future.
decisions need to be made on an economic basis and not a politicial one if GM will survive. GM needs to make quality cars at a reasonable price that americians want to buy if it will be successful. that is the goal they should have. americans just may not want to buy the cars that ralph nader wants them to buy (at today's gas prices). the potential for conflict in competing goals is great with government ownership. now if you were a ford employee or you worked in a honda or toyota plant or you worked for one of the ford, honda or toyota dealerships you might not feel that the government subsidizing GM is good; if the subsidy is large enough to encourage people to buy a GM product, you could even lose your job at ford, honda or toyota! where is the fairness there? my original call was for a bankruptcy with the government providing the financing for the bankruptcy but not for ownership. |
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vwpatterson3 |
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Well, how can GM come back from the brink without some sort of federal oversight? We've already been down that road and it didn't work.
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dear vwpatterson3,
i do not see why government "oversight" is needed; in fact, obama claims at this point he does not want to manage the company. in a normal bankruptcy, they would start from scratch. for example, a better UAW contract would help; the new agreement goes part way there but adds unnecessary burdens such as not allowing GM to import small cars from china that are made in GM factories there; the new agreement does not cut wages, pensions or health benefits for current workers (many companies have cut wages, pensions and health benefits during this downturn). in normal bankruptcy they could have cut dealers and stopped paying lease payments on closed plants. they could renegotiate all contracts. etc. the creditors could force new management on the company. the only "oversight" would have been with a trained bankruptcy judge in a regular bankruptcy. the less the government is involved in the reorganization the better. i want decissions made for the good of the company and on an economic basis and not a political basis. congress has already announced hearings on the closing of dealerships. local pressure on congress has led them to have the hearings so that congresspersons can make grand statements to the public. why have hearings? if the closings are legal, what is the purpose of the hearings? i see the purpose of the hearings to pressure the company to keep some of the dealerships they want to close. so within days of the government take-over congress has already started putting pressure on GM to behave in a certain way for politicial reasons. |
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I, always have bought GM cars. In general, Republicans tend to buy American cars, realizing that the industry is vital to our Country. In general, Democrats
tend to buy foreign cars in part out of hostility to and spite for American business. Of course, there are many exceptions, so don't bother to tell me
about your liberal friend who once bought an American car.
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vwpatterson3 |
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Oh, please -- every Republican I know drives a Mercedes or a BMW. Democrats ride bikes. lol
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In general, Democrats tend to buy foreign cars in part out of hostility to and spite for American business. Oh, OK -- I'm starting to "get" you now Starbuck. You're basically a parody. An internet version of Colbert.
stfu Burt Prelutsky
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Bertz74 wrote:He's apparently dong a dead cat bounce. Poor thing. His mind is obviously gone already. This thread is nuts. Very, very few people would ever link a car buying decision to being a rapid Obama supporter. Obama wasn't lying when he said it would be worse before it got better, and that it will take time. This mess isn't going to make sense until the healthcare and energy policies do. |
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jamesv |
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http://maremare1225.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/when-you-buy-your-next-car-think-is-it-republican-or-democrat/
I would guess that lower and middle class people Democrats are more likely to buy Japanese cars; for practicality and reliability issues. those same type of Republicans are more likely to buy American for racist purposes. But, as the survey brings out, more wealthy GOPers are more likely buy German cars. I bet more wealthy Democrats are more likely to buy British cars ( I might be stereotyping that wealthier Democrats are more likely to be Jewish and less likely to buy German cars). http://maremare1225.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/when-you-buy-your-next-car-think-is-it-republican-or-democrat/ |
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handlebear |
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I'm with Luvvy on this one. I drive a 2000 Ford with 88000 miles on it. My fourth vehicle (3 Fords, 1 Mercury) since 1965.
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jamesv wrote:Is race the only thing important to you? It creeps into almost every post. Yes, you are stereotyping. Constantly. Okay, what's a British car anyway? Jaguar? Landrover? They're both owned by Tata of India. Rolls Royce or Bentley? They're owned by Volkswagen of Germany (or is BMW now?). |
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Bertz74 |
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I haven't owned a car since 1989. I live one block from the subway, and four stations away from Amtrak on the NE corridor. In fact, now that I think about
it for the past 20 years, in a variety of residences, I've never been more than 2 blocks from a subway entrance. Horribly convenient.
stfu Burt Prelutsky
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HistryBuff |
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The word, Jamesv, is "rabid" not "rapid."
Many rabid Obama supporters, like musclvr here, can't afford cars. The rich ones don't drive. They have chauffeured limos. |
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musclvr52 |
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I have a 2007 Ford focus, with 8,000 miles on it. Had 1 GM Oldsmobile in my life, what a piece of shit!
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HM Rog |
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James, what does supporting the POTUS have anything to do with buying a GM car?? His actions regarding GM are about trying to protect the millions of jobs
associated with GM. And it may take quite some time before a new viable GM emerges from Chapter 11. Frankly, GM would have gone into bankruptcy regardless
(they have lost $9 billion dollars in the last two years alone) and Mr. Obama has simply tried to encourage a bankruptcy process that will do the most good. I
dont need to buy a GM to support Mr. Obama's GM policies. GM needs to prove it can produce a quality car before they will ever get my money, and that is
true regardless of who is living in the White House. M2C!
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beowulf7777 wrote: As always beowulf your just full of stupidity. I deal with many car dealerships and many of the Ford , GM and Chrysler dealership owners in this area are Democrates. If democrates didn't buy American Branded cars ( Guess what again Limbaugh- wanna -be, many of them are made in other countries, assembled by foreigners) they would have went out of business years ago. Also moron Japanese/Asian and European car companies have plants here in the USA providing jobs to americans, because American auto manufacturers moved much of their jobs out of the country. "Democrates tend to buy foreign cars in part out of hostility to and spite for American business." Don't you ever get tired of showing everyone on here what an ignorant hater you are. Many american business owners are democrates. If you would get your nose out of the asses of all the other ignorant haters u mimic, stupidity and hatred in this country would almost be non existant.
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